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IF it happened

Written by: on Sunday, February 1st, 2015

 

Written by: KMac on Sunday, February 1st, 2015

If the PIAA did decide to go to 6 classes for 2016, or beyond, I wondered what the difference in class breakdowns would mean for District One, which is my base of operation. How would the teams be sorted out? But I have only current enrollment figures – the enrollment figures will certainly be different, especially at the cusps of the class limits, come actual time.

Even so, if the breakdown was now here is the distribution for District One. The current 44 Class AAAA teams, the most of any district in the state, would divide into 30 Class 6A and 14 Class 5A which would be joined by 12 former 3A clubs for 26 Class 5A teams.

Based on recent 4A playoff experience and historically strong teams, this would divide some of the former 16 4A playoff teams. Most of the former strong 4A would be 6A teams; but Plymouth Whitemarsh, Upper Dublin, Garnet Valley, West Chester Rustin, West Chester Henderson, and Unionville would be 5A in classification. Moving up from 3A and joining these Class 5A teams would be Academy Park, Interboro, Great Valley, Springfield Delco, and Strath Haven.

One can easily visualize that if a 16-team Class 6A playoff was still held, which is unlikely, there would be room for four “new” teams as Garnet Valley, Upper Dublin, and both West Chester teams noted above all were in the 4A last season. Now there would be added incentive for those same four teams to push for the 5A crown, as all the teams that beat them in last year’s 4A they would not to have to face in their playoffs going forward. The 3A teams mentioned above have all had good seasons in recent times, but would the move from 3A to 5A be deemed a giant leap? I don’t think it really would; remember the classification tag is just a grouping. These 3A teams faced the same teams year in and year out in regular season play, whether the opponents were then classed 4A or with the change, 6A.

The 4A class would be all new in District 1 – all former 3A schools – Upper Moreland, Pottsgrove, Glen Mills, Bishop Shanahan, Upper Perkiomen, Pottstown, Octorara, and Pope John Paul II.

Whether any playoffs, even the 6A with 30 teams would maintain a 16-team playoff is unlikely. More likely it would revert to 8. And 26 teams in 5A may also be eight. Only 8 teams in 4A would likely result in some multi-district class 4A playoff scenario.

Only two teams would make 3A as of now in District One – Lower Moreland, and Springfield Montco. Presently both are 2A, and a multi-district playoff would undoubtedly be called for in the 3A class.

Remaining in 2A as they are currently would be Bristol, New Hope-Solebury, and Valley Forge Military Academy. Again, a multi-district playoff would be needed.

The present four teams in D1 One A – Calvary Christian, Delaware County Christian, Jenkintown, and Morrisville would remain as 1A teams.

The enrollment numbers will change and influence some of the relationships above, but I think it is logical to see 8-team playoffs for classes 6A and 5A, and multiple-district pairings for the other 4 classes for District One.

I wonder how the playoff points system will be changed for 6 classes. Now for a 4A team, if you beat another 4A it is 100 points; if you beat a 3A 80 points; if you beat a 2A 60 points; and for a win over a 1A 40 points. Using that system there is only 20 left. If you equated it to 6A, you would get 20 points for beating a 2A with only 0 left for a 1A. Maybe that would hold, as a 6A playing a 1A is seemingly too wide a class gap, but there may be some other system being considered.

Because the new 6A and 5A classes will be made of primarily the present big 4A class and the bigger 3A schools, maybe the playoff points should be for a 6A beating a 6A 100 points, but for beating a 5A, 90 points; over a 4A 70 points; a 3A 50 points; a 2A 30 points, and the 1A 10 points. There are many ways this can be accomplished; the PIAA will figure it out.

I was also interested in how the powerful District 7 4A schools would sort out under the new classifications.

Only Pittsburgh Central Catholic, Penn Hills, and North Allegheny make it to the 6A classification of the prominent names we know in the east due to finals appearances.

The 5A Class would include Pine-Richland, Woodland Hills, North Hills, Upper Saint Clair, and McKeesport; all former 4A, and Gateway and Franklin Regional, both now 3A.

South Fayette, recent two-time state champion would be a large AAA school in the new format; only 8 more male enrollment short of 4A. For comparison purposes, Archbishop Wood would be in 5A and Berwick in 4A.

The Philadelphia Catholic League would see its present 4A teams all make the 6A class. But the former 3A would split up with Ryan and Wood 5A, and O’Hara, Bonner-Prendie, and Carroll all 4A teams. Lansdale Catholic, Conwell-Egan & Neumann-Goretti would be 3A schools. Bishop McDevitt would gain 2A by 4 students currently. West Catholic would remain 1A, but likely opt to play up to 2A as they do currently. Scheduling and playoffs get quite interesting considering what might be.

I hope the decision to go to 6 classifications is approved; for the two main reasons of reducing the season from 16 to 15 weeks, and to provide 2 additional state champions. I know opinions out there vary, but I think there are few that would not like the finals to occur a week earlier in December than they do now for various reasons. I also do not think that 2 additional state champions is a great increase over 4 in percentages per schools playing football. I do not think the playoffs will be “watered down” as some suggest, because I think the reduction in number of schools per class will reduce some 16-team playoffs to 8; and there will be more multi-district playoffs mixing the best from several districts as there are in some classes now.

However, either way, I know that the 2015 season will not be affected and am already looking forward as easternPAfootball counts down the days.

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17 Responses to “IF it happened”

  1. Kmac says:

    Mike F

    There is pafootballnews.com that just changed ownership after the original owners retired. It seems to be quite different with a lot of the former links and connections gone. However, this may just be temporary until the new ownership gets it fully going; I am not sure.

  2. Mike F says:

    I did get the sense that it had a west flavor mostly D6 flavor, but I like it. are there any sites that are Whole state. I knew about the Ohio site for 10+ years but nothing on my home state till now.

  3. Kmac says:

    Mike F

    No problem Mike, I am not a poster or member myself because it seems to be a western PA site and the posters sure know a lot more than I do about things in the west. I do enjoy reading it though.

  4. Mike F says:

    Kmac thank you for pointing me in the direction of bleacher coaches site. I have been looking for a good PA site for years.

  5. Kmac says:

    Mike F

    Thank you for the information, I will have to check that out. Sounds similar to our Bleacher Coaches Forum site.

  6. Mike F says:

    kmac sorry for iMac that was an autocorrect.

  7. Mike F says:

    iMac if you are interested in hearing about Ohio, a good mob is yappi.com. Look for a thread called something along the lines of “how many divisions could Marion Local win”. There are other threads both last year ( Loveland) and this year (LaSalle) being better than the D1 champ. It happens every year there. We rarely have that type of talk in PA and that is a good thing.

  8. Kmac says:

    Mike F

    Thanks again for your continuing input. Any information on the Ohio situation, or any other state for that matter is new to me and quite interesting to hear. The ways to shorten the season I think is an important point. We all have our likes and dislikes on the subject and I understand where you are coming from. Thanks again.

  9. Kmac says:

    PAFAN

    The classification information is simply the enrollment figures at the present time which places the schools I mentioned in the classes I indicated. Enrollments will change by the 2015-2016 period affecting many schools. I have only read posts on eastern and western PA football; you may have greater information. I did not think the moving up was part of the original proposal, but may come later. Of course, any school may play up in class if they wish; always could.

  10. Mike F says:

    Kmac, I know it is not everybody getting a trophy but it dilutes it enough to make a championship mean less. In Ohio they argue regularly over the lower class champ beating a class or even three classes higher champ. That does not happen here often. Only when a once in a 1/4 century team shows up. The 90 Berwick teams the recent Clairton teams. But year in and out we accept that the 4A team is best followed by 3A, 2A, and finally 1A. That does not happen in states with more than 4. Just because most states have more than four does not make them right. As far as other coaches wanting their players, the specialization of sports is handling that already and there are other ways to shorten the season.

  11. PAFAN says:

    I don’t see how you have classified these teams. Everything that I have read will also include adjustments for success. For instance South Fayette a 2 time champ, they would be bumped to 4A. After X number years they would have the option to move down. This is just an example but there are quite a few schools that will be playing at higher levels. All sounds good to me.

  12. Kmac says:

    Mike F

    You are not alone with your thoughts on the issue for sure, but 6 titles instead of 4 with 581 schools playing football is “everybody gets a trophy”? It’s 3/10ths of a percentage more trophys and 575 schools do not get one. C’mon man! I am sure the kids wouldn’t complain as you say, but attendence at finals is not teriffic and coaches of other sports would sure like to have their athletes to start their seasons.

  13. Mike F says:

    This is not a good idea this is an “everybody gets a trophy” philosophy. Oh but it for the kids they play too many games and too late in the year. Go ask the kids of all the semifinal games (16 schools) if they were bothered by the few extra weeks of football for a shot at a state title. I bet less than 15% would complain.

  14. Kmac says:

    Phil

    Thank you, Phil; and you said it, additional benefits available for everyone if the proposal is accepted.

  15. Phil says:

    Wonderful article from a larger district perspective! And looking at it through the players eyes, 15 weeks gets them into basketball or wrestling quicker without missing as much. Playoffs would be played in better weather on average, especially if the PIAA would start a week earlier too. And more kids will have the experience of being in ‘The Big Game’, which may enhance recruitment into the college level.

  16. Kmac says:

    Coachshead12

    Thank you for the comments and interest on both sites. Most of what I write is far from a big deal or of great importance, but I like to stimulate other conversation and thoughts on the various subjects; thanks again Coachshead12.

  17. Coachshead12 says:

    However, either way, I know that the 2015 season will not be affected and “am already looking forward as easternPAfootball counts down the days.” I too!