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2018 Football Forum

Written by: on Monday, January 1st, 2018


Are you ready for some football?

Welcome to the official forum on high school football for the 2018 season.

During the off-season let’s talk about players, recruiting news, teams and everything about high school football.

During the season each week let’s talk about match-ups and how teams did. Let us know what player(s) stood out each week.

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  1. WPIAL RULES says:

    @ Jack1234 you are correct the OC is a complete joke. It appears that kids need to kiss his ass to be on his good side to see playing time! I think after the class of 2020 is done playing at the end of the 2019 season the HC may retire. If the HC retires, hopefully he will take the OC with him into retirement.
    PCC has to great QB and both are Juniors. Hopefully with that type of skill in the backfield they find some different plays instead of holding the ball on 3rd and long and running up the middle.

    @PCC Fan 01 – I have no idea what you are talking about, the only 2 on the D-line that has any offers are Dallas and Beatty. I’m sure other offers will come to the rest of the line after this season…. Maybe another will get D-1 but the rest will be D-2.

  2. New2PA says:

    PCC Fan 01: Which kids have D1 offers besides the 2 Dallas has? I wasn’t aware that they had that much talent coming back after losing Green (ata Pitt) and another DE, all their LB’s, and Wethers and Laconi and Thomas on the back end?

  3. Jack1234 says:

    Stacked with D1 recruits? Outside of Dallas, Dodson, and Thomson who is D1 (Dodson and Thomson have Ivy League offers, Dallas is mac and fcs)? Also it’s pretty clear their HC and OC are very inept at offense. The offense I saw twice against PR looked like a joke that was wasting the talent they had. That’s been the story for a while now when they play a equal team or better. I’ll put pcc as the top team when they prove they can run an efficient offense and can beat nationally ranked teams.

  4. Pcc fan 01 says:

    Central Catholic in 6A is looking like the top dog. Defense looks crazy good stacked with D1 recruits. D line is lights out big fast nasty. Has to be the two best def end combo in state with Dallas 6’4 220 and Beatty 6’5 230. Both fast strong relentless. Add 6’3 330 nose and Allen twins 240 at tackle. Umm this is high school? Good luck lbs and backs are hitters lights out!

  5. Jack1234 says:

    @phillyboy been busy and this forum has been kinda dead this summer. Hope to see the discussion pick up during the season. The top 3 teams on paper in no particular order from 6A will be PR, NA, and PCC (per usual). It’s to early right now to pick a favorite as no team really has a clear advantage over the other, but if I had to pick (with some bias) I’d pick PR as the slight favorite. Their o line is going to be the best in the state, averaging 6’4 280 with multiple D1 guys on it. Their RB this year Is one of the fatest guys in the state and will be a threat to take it to the house everytime he touches the ball. Also the new soph QB has been looking like the real deal during practice and camp. He’s going to be a stud by the time he’s a senior. Also they Might have the best linebacker core in the state as well with Tyler king, Anthony Cerminara, and merrick Miller. Two sleeper teams in 6A are norwin and mount lebo. Both have very good skill players coming back, it remains to be seen if they have the lines and depth to compete with the big 3.

    In 5A I think penn hills is the clear favorite right now. Absolutely loaded with elite athletes, and they added a 6’4 WR transfer from PCC. If they can get it together and play to their potential they have a likely chance of being in Hershey. The key for them will be discipline (which has been their undoing in a ridiculous amount of games the past few years) and line play. Anouther team is gateway, although they lost a phenomenal QB they have elite skill players back including one of the top players in the country Derrick Davis. Their season imo will depend on the new QB(who Is a transfer from kiski area and I saw play against PR in 7on7, honestly did not look like that impressive) and especially their lines because when I saw them play a few times last year both their lines looked god awful and they truthfully made it to Hershey off their ridiculous skill players before abw exposed that. Wpial championship in 5A likely comes down to these two teams but 5A always has lots of good teams that you can’t count out, like McKeesport, West A etc

  6. D9 BULLDOG says:


  7. phillyboy says:

    jack, you out there? Calling 1-2-3-4 jack, jack1234. You’ve been awful quiet lately. Mum’s the word. Any insights or thoughts on the WPIAL 6A and 5A this year. Who’s the team to beat? [Every time I use that expression it reminds me of Jimmy Rollins who predicted that the Phillies were the team to beat in the preseason around 10 years ago. The Phillies started off the year with a bad losing streak so the headline in the Philadelphia Daily News was something like ‘Phils are the team to beat, and beat and beat and beat.’] But I digress.

  8. D10 Insider says:

    Foleman, thanks for the info. I’m well versed on George, he’s massive. Myers got a few reps last year too I believe and he was impressive. I think ECP lost a lot like PCC lost a lot the year before. Would have been nice to have these two teams play two years ago but what can you do. ECP will be competitive again, I’m hoping for a more entertaining game and I think we will this year.

  9. New2PA says:

    Come on down to the PR-IMG game. Maybe not as close of a game, but not many times you’ll be able to see multiple 4 and 5 star athletes on the field at the same time in Western PA!

    Will the PCC-ECP matchup be better this year? ECP lost a bunch?

  10. Foleman says:

    D10 Insider, Berks Catholic and McDevitt will again battle it out in the District 3 final. McDevitt has a ton of returning starters and is ranked 1 slot higher in the State Polls than BC. Berks Catholic might have the fastest backfield in Pa with Brandon George-FB who verballed to Pitt, Abdul MacFoy-6th in the State in AAAA 100 Meter, Quinn Foley-supposedly faster than MacFoy and Anthony Myers, they need to replace 4/5 starters on the o-line though.

  11. ECL/METRO FAN says:

    Thinking about heading down for Friday nights 8:00pm game with PCC and ECP.

  12. D10 Insider says:

    I will also be in Turtle Creek. Gotta be the best match up in Western PA. Two of the best teams, where else would you go?

  13. Billy Splain says:

    you KNOW We’ll be at the Wolvarena!

  14. ECL/METRO FAN says:

    Who is headed to where on opening night?

  15. D10 Insider says:

    4A speaking, how is the WPIAL looking and has anyone heard anything about Berks and McDevitt? Assuming Imhotep is going back because they are loaded just trying to see anyone’s thoughts on 4A state playoffs. Love the site!

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  17. Billy Splain says:

    no idea, we are no longer affiliated.

  18. Mike A says:

    Anyone know what happened to the web site. Many of the links don’t work and the URL’s come back as invalid and most of the information is unavailable. Were they hacked?

  19. Billy Splain says:

    fun game…great ending… should have pushed through!

  20. ECL/METRO FAN says:

    Billy-Seen you from a distance on Friday at the Save-an-eye. Had to big of a posse with me to stop. Thoughts on the game?

  21. B. Powell says:

    I hear a “success factor” has been approved by the PIAA, beginning season 2020-2021.
    These points will be accumulated by teams in the post season playoffs, correct?
    And for the sports of football and boys/girls basketball and perhaps soccer?

    Let’s see some more info from guys in the know.
    I’d think these points are only relevant (to be counted) during playoff advancement.

  22. Billy Splain says:

    Make sure u come say hi. I’ll be in my wpa green shirt

  23. D10 Insider says:

    Excited for the Save An Eye game too. Looks like the county will be the favorites this year with the city only being able to pull from 4 teams. Also, if you’re planning on heading out to see Mischler, Bauer, Scruggs, Roberts and Oedekoven you are out of luck because those all stars are already at camp. Should be a good one though, two great staffs going at it!

  24. Billy Splain says:

    Thanks!! We’ll be there!

  25. ECL/METRO FAN says:

    WOW! Updated site looks great! Great work guys. Getting excited for the season to start. Save-An-Eye ALL-STAR game is this Friday!

  26. river runner says:

    Rumors out of D9 that Sheffield maybe in some trouble. They may not have enough kids to support a team this year. Even with the COOP from Abraxas it isn’t looking good at this time. Could be another Warren County School joining Warren/Youngsville.

  27. sausmann9 says:

    A big shout out to the kids that played in the Mercer Co v Erie Co all star game last friday night. Besser from sharpsville is one tough kid!!! I loved the fact that they played DEFENSE in this game. All star games have lost luster over the years b/c of the LACK OF hitting, attitude, and defense; not this game!! Kudos to the two kids from Sharon as well, tough tough tough! This was a fun game at a cool venue!

  28. Pcc64 says:

    Jack, thanks for the info. I think they have some good defensive lineman but you could always use more. My inside source is no longer at Central so you know more about the Vikings than I do.
    WPIAL Rules, if he has legal representation he probably will prevail. But thanks for reminding me of that option.

  29. WPIAL Rules says:

    PCC64 AJ Plays TE and DE! If the WPIAL doesn’t approve it PIAA will!

  30. Jack1234 says:

    @pcc64 he plays TE/DE. Isn’t pcc pretty deep on DE this year? If I remeber correctly they already have Dallas and few other kids that rotated in returning. I think if this new kids approved he can be a match up nightmare on offense, that’s if they throw him the ball this year.

  31. Pcc64 says:

    I’ll be rooting for PR to do well against IMG. Personally, I don’t hate IMG, it’s a national type team and I admire them. FYI, I am a Central guy who lives half the year in the Pine Richland District, 8 minutes from NA and half the year in Florida, 15 minutes from IMG. I have some good programs to root for.

  32. Pcc64 says:

    Jack what position does AJ Beaty play ? I doubt that the WPIAL will approve this transfer. I was told by Central principal that the WPIAL has approved one of the last 14 transfer requests (Approximately).

  33. Jack1234 says:

    Aj Beatty from bethel park appears to have transferred to pcc. He’s a player to watch, started as a soph and he looked good when I saw him play. How do some of the western teams outside of the wpial look this year?

  34. Offsides says:

    Nothing but respect for the Bison for deciding to play where their enrollment puts them and not being followers. I’m not promising any D10 title from CP, this is a whole new team. My point was the 4A schools playing 5A ball get their D10 title but then get mangled in the next round. Why not work all year to beat Prep and then compete against schools like your own in states.

    The last 4 years Prep lost to CASH and Wakulla, Fla. They then had to come from behind and rally to beat McDevit after a tough game with TJ and then got beat 40-3. The following year they needed a some 4th quarter magic to upset Tep in states and let’s not forget Berks Catholic going blow for blow with them in the first half this year, and it’s not like they walked all over Imhotep in the finals. If Cherp would let TJs kids play instead of telling them they aren’t good enough to beat a private school those games would be closer too.

    One thing for sure, Prep will have a tough time getting back to Hershey and even through the WPIAL and D3, that’s IF they get out of D10. Never say never FLB, just ask CASH.

    That’s ridiculous lol.

  35. sausmann9 says:

    a bit of info on Pine Richland’s week 1 opponent from USA today high school sports “Way too Early top 25”. If you have the time, watch some of the video on their linemen and how freakishly athletic they play.

    IMG Academy
    Location: Bradenton, Fla.
    17-18 Record: 8-0
    Final Super 25 Rank: 2

    The Ascenders can pluck the best talent around the country and they have won 37 games in a row. Of the top 50 senior recruits for 2019 in Florida, 11 of them go to IMG.

    The offensive line is impressive. It is anchored by: 6-7, 391-pound senior OL Evan Neal; 6-4, 345-pound senior Deyavie Hammond; senior Donte Lucas, a 6-3, 323-pound FSU commit; TCU commit Justin Osborne (6-4 and 275 pounds); and LSU commit Charles Turner, who is 6-4 and 260 pounds.

    That line will help open holes for two five-star senior RBs in Noah Cain and Trey Sanders.

    The Ascenders have two Div. I-level quarterbacks in David Baldwin and Bryson Lucero and Missouri-bound WR Shamar Nash.

    The defense is led by senior DE Nolan Smith II, a Georgia commit, LB Charles Thomas, a Michigan commit, senior LB Jaleel McRae, who is committed to Florida State, and DB Briton Allen.

  36. Tully says:

    Definitely agree CP will play anyone and always have a strong non-conference schedule. From the outside looking in tho it sure appears they are fine doing that as long as it doesnt hurt their chances for state championships. Seems thats the overall priority for the admins that make those decisions. It is crazy to suggest they should not fight at their weight class and play at least 5a if not 6a. I am talking caliber of competition not enrollment (the numbers argument isnt an argument especially when you are one the biggest and dominating in your current class). The new 4a in a six class system isnt anywhere as good as the old 3a in four classes where that argument might have held at least some water. Same goes for Wood and Tep. If I am that good I want to earn my rings against the best.

  37. B. Powell says:

    FLB stayed 4A with ECP this cycle.
    I guess we’ll see you week #12, but they didn’t run away this time.
    Figure it as a couple more weeks of practice for the younger kids before the D10 4A finals.
    You can dismantle us, how’s that?

  38. Billy Splain says:

    cool….our guy Shane Lux will be on the sidelines covering the game….rosters going up shortly

  39. sausmann9 says:

    @billy – yep, heading out to the Mercer Co all-star game at Greenville and trying to make it by kickoff. Leaving Lehigh Valley by noon hopefully w/ one stop near Clarion.

    Love that school Greenville where this game is being played, their new field is really nice, and Coach Stone and his crew are some old buds. I love that football up there too. Still have your small town teams that take a ton of pride in their programs ala Greenville, Hickory, Wilmington, Sharon back in D10 again now, etc…

  40. Billy Splain says:

    Sausman….I will be posting the rosters for that, ken lantzy and the westmoreland game later today….We’ll have full game coverage, you going?

  41. sausmann9 says:

    anyone have an updated roster for the Mercer County all star game this friday night at Greenville HS??? tx.

  42. Offsides says:

    Cathedral Prep isn’t afraid to compete against anybody. They simply play where the PIAA puts them. The point of counting the number of boys in the school is to put them in fair classifications. They certainly aren’t afraid of any WPIAL teams. 4A playoff system is competitive for the schools in that class, that’s why they play there, that’s what the care about. Speaking of competing, how about all of the other 4A schools in D10 opting to “play up” to avoid Prep in districts, just to get dismantled in the next round.

  43. Tully says:

    Drew the new 4a is no where near as tough as the old 3a. Not even close. In fact just by math alone it is the lower 67% bubenrollment. You also lose perennial powers like Wood and West Allegheny. And who cares if ECP would occasionally runs into a superior team. Welcome to reality and isn’t the point to compete rather than choose the easy path?

  44. David Mika says:

    We are moving the site to a new server. The forum will be shut down until we are done. I am going to shut it down at noon, Monday. Thank you!

  45. sausmann9 says:

    I hope I am wrong, very wrong, but PR will get throttled on ESPN next season if this game is a go. IMG has more five-star (three of them as of now) than PR has all-state (two as of now) players on their roster. I can say this with 99% accuracy and that is IMG will get another half dozen four-star (or higher) players prior to summer practice starting and RP will get ZERO four-star or higher players by the start of summer practice. PR is a season late on this match up.

  46. Drew says:


    While I do think the 5A discussion/criticism is fair I’d still like to point out that CP has benefited from one of the best SR classes in the history of D10 the past 2 years. The 3 years between winning in ‘12 and the back-to-back these past years they lost to McDevitt; didn’t even make it out if D10; and got blown out by TEP. Yes, those 3 years they were in the old 3A but their path outside of D10 was the exact same as it has been in the new 4A. The only change is everyone in D10 opted to avoid CP and they no longer are matched up with Wood in Hershey. IF they get back to Hershey this year I doubt they beat TEP with what TEP has coming back. So the competition outside of D10 is just fine in 4A. I will agree that i’d rather see them play in 5A but the notion that they’re going to sleepwalk to titles every year in 4A is false.

  47. Phil says:

    Coaches, ADs, media and fans need to pressure the PIAA into doing something, like instituting the Success Factor and implementing some sort of transfer rule. Meanwhile, the PIAA continues to sit on their hands and do nothing. While going to 6 classes was a step in the right direction for PA, transfer rules and the Success Factor would go a long way in leveling the playing field and making more competitive games during the year and especially in the playoffs.

  48. Tully says:

    Tremendous post Jeff. Right on the money.

  49. Jeff says:

    @ Friday Night Fan – I think your allegiance to ECP is clouding your judgment. I saw ECP and PR both play last year and have no ties to either school and IMO if they played it would be a very competitive game, but would give the edge to PR. If you think Mischler is a better QB than Jurkovec you’re delusional…not taking anything away from Mischler as he’s very good and expect him to do well at Miami, but Jurkovec is likely to be playing on Sunday’s in another several years, and there’s no question he’s a better athlete than Mischler.

    Most observers outside of D10 think it’s a joke that ECP plays 4A in the state playoffs, certainly all the fans in Eastern Pa feel that way (read the other boards), I don’t care what schools they play in the regular season, they are without a doubt one of the premier programs in the state and as such should at the very least be playing 5A in the playoffs. Also, the PIAA does not dictate what class a school plays, all they do is set enrollment guidelines and you can’t play BELOW that class, but nothing is stopping them from playing up like other elite programs like Aliquippa, Wood, and Imhotep do.

    Time for the PIAA to implement the success rule that was discussed on this board a few years ago. Since ECP won the last 2 4A titles that would mean they would play 5A the next 2 years, and since Wood won the last 2 5A they would move up to 6A.

    Your argument about ECP not having the depth to compete with the higher classes doesn’t cut it with me, their roster is as big as most of the 5A and 6A schools. Wood has a lower enrollment than ECP yet they play up in 5A, so why doesn’t ECP play up?

    The obvious conclusion is it’s easier to win a state title at 4A than 5A or certainly 6A, so apparently it’s more important to the administration to win a state title than do the right thing and play in the class they should be playing, the fact is ECP would still win titles at a higher classification because they have that good of a program, just not every year.

  50. jack1234 says:

    I think Coatsville has a pretty good argument for that as well, and whoever comes out the WPIAL if it’s a public should be pretty good as well

  51. Mcd65 says:

    PR will be overmatched for sure, but coach K is an incredible strategist and if there is a weakness he will take advantage of it. Yes, a PCL guy rooting for Pr in this one for sure.

  52. SC says:

    state college will be the best public school in 6a football next year. will be interesting to see what the d12 to the western side of the bracket will mean. Doesn’t quite make sense considering the lack of competition d3 in 6a has given since CD won the championship. Unfortunate that a d3 or a d1 will make the championship. Any team coming out of the western side will effectively win now…

  53. Jack1234 says:

    @wpial rules I think realistically the coaches and players both know this is game Isn’t very winnable. It’s to get exposure and experience against top level competition. There’s a chance of ESPNcoming as well. Are they doing it so PR is an attractive place for transfers that want exposure? Your guess is as good as mine

  54. WPIAL Rules says:

    @phillyboy….so this will help PR recruit better athletes? This would want parents to move into the school district? Just because they play IMG? Well, that sounds like a way to recruit, right?

  55. Mike F says:


    Agree 100%, people who hate the Catholic schools need to look at IMG. It really is a fraud to call them a HS team. Literally 100% of their team goes D2 or higher with most starters being D1 P5. The only hope a normal school had against them is that IMG is not gelling while due to conflicts on the team. They were ranked number 2 in the country last year for what that is worth so that is not an issue it seems. Again they are a joke to be called a HS team.

  56. Billy Splain says:

    Philly, I have all the respect for Kasper. He takes his guys against the big boys all the time. Tep and a few others, they are ok but IMG is basically a pre-college team. I just don’t like what they stand for is all. But we’ll be there for that game rooting on the PA team.

  57. phillyboy says:

    philly to Billy: appreciate your opinion on ignoring and refusing to play these all-star type teams on principle and to not dignify it, but rather to starve it so to speak. On the other hand it could raise PR’s profile moreso so as to attract better talent to the program. So it is a little bit of a philosophical quandry.

  58. Mike F says:

    I hope PR does not play IMG. The year to do it was last year not this year. PR is better off playing a Public power from Ohio like Mentor or Canton McKinley, Colerain, etc. i feel they lost too much to play a team like IMG (I hate the idea of IMG for all you Catholic haters you need to look at this outfit) and be competitive. My opinion of course.

  59. WPIAL RULES says:

    @Billy we all know it comes down to PR’s ego! This might be the Year they get knocked down a peg or 2.

  60. Billy Splain says:

    Id rather they beat a public school. The only solution to ending private school teams like that is to refuse to play them . my opinion

  61. WPIAL RULES says:

    IMG vs PR week 0! Would have been a better match last year!

  62. Billy Splain says:

    actually that wasn’t official and has been removed. No contracts signed yet

  63. Jack1234 says:

    Although it’s been somewhat known, it’s been “officially” announced PR will play IMG academy for week 0 next season. Defiantly a year late but good for coach k for getting these types of game, great exposure for western pa.

  64. D10 Fan says:

    I miss the days when they could play though. Would’ve been some nice matchups the past few years.

  65. D10 Fan says:

    Iggys and Eds won’t play ECP anymore because it would hold no value to them since ECP isn’t in PA’s biggest classification. Something with Ohio’s point system for the playoffs, it discourages teams from going out-of-state to play teams in lower classifications. I think only CPs frosh can play Eds/Iggys.

  66. M says:

    McDowell played St.Eds and Austintown Fitch last season. They used to play St. Ignatius, Cardinal Mooney, St.Eds, Austintown Fitch and Mentor all in the same season. Brutal schedule

  67. B. Powell says:

    There’s a chance for a schedule upgrade for ECP if they’re willing to play St Ignatius, St Edward, Thomas Aquinas or Cardinal Mooney. I see those teams looking for games this fall.
    McDowell and Erie high should try a few, too and with just a 3-team region, you’d think they could adjust what weeks and fit one in.

  68. jacky1234 says:

    They beat crap 6A teams. Stop talking like mcdowell is even good, they were 5-6. With the D1 athletes ECP has on both sides, they should be beating teams like mcdowell. So if they beat the 6A teams they have to play, why don’t they move up then? Because clearly they have the depth to compete obviously. You seem to be avoiding that question.

  69. Friday night fan says:

    Jack I’m beginning to think your illiterate? McDowell is in CP region. They have to play them! Have you understood anything if said??? CP just had it’s best class Ever come through! Did I loose you yet?? We’re talking about last years team correct? YOU said they should move up in class and quit beating up on 4 A teams did you not?? They are playing 6A teams is the point! PR did not seat PCC any worse than CP did during the regular season. PR and CP were the only teams to beat PCC this year correct? They were not at there usual team agreed, but they still made in to The WPIAL finals. For example Bishop Hoban was in the top ten in the nation on max preps rankings. They had two common opponents with CP. they bot played Benedictine from Ohio. Cp beat them way worse. And they both played West Toronto Prep to about the same out come. So to me the national ranking aren’t that big of an indicator of anything. Meaning the top 100 teams maybe separated by 7 points or so. In the national catholic highschool football rankings Cp finished 3 Rd. Ahead of Bishop Gorman out of Vegas. I really can understand why people think you have to be in a certain class to be the best? I’m saying they don’t have the numbers to compete moving up most years. The last two years they could have talent wise yes, but loosing 2 D1 receiver/D backs and the lack of depth in back ups would have been magnified. Jack try to do some reading other than the Tribe review. I’m not the dense narrow minded one here.

  70. Jack1234 says:

    *most dense

  71. Jack1234 says:

    Friday night fans you are one of the densists mofo’s I’ve talked to. Lol. yes erie mcdowell was a JOKE last season. Your bragging about beating a 5-6 team? Maybe I didn’t mention maybe beat good 6A teams? PCC was nothing special last year once again. So if the problem is not having the same enrollment numbers as the other big 6A schools and not having the depth to compete with these teams, then why in the hell are you suggesting that ECP would’ve beaten the top 6A and 5A teams as well last season? Literally every posts you have made has been hypocritical as hell lmao

  72. Friday night fan says:

    Maybe Wood moved up to get away from Imhotep in there districts? Imhotep beat Wood in districts 2015 if I’m not mistaken. And CP beat them in the state final 2012. So may be Wood doesn’t want to play them in the play offs? I’m pretty sure coaches ( some) have conversations wear not privy to. Like you said no one can predict out comes that’s why they play the games! Imhotep and Wood move up by choice, and Cp doesn’t by choice! I don’t really think they give a crap what guys on some forum are saying. All the team being brought up are 1 st class programs with great coaches! I’m not disrespecting any team. At least in the FBS they have closure with the playoff. They know who 1-4 are.

  73. Mcd65 says:

    Friday night fan, Both Wood and Imhotep moved up a class beyond their enrollment classification. Why does CP continue not to move up ? I’m curious .BTW there is no way anyone can predict a games outcome if its not played. I can say Wood would beat CP , just as you believe the opposite. Take a look at who Wood played last year.Im sure you don’t look at those things outside of Erie. Pine Richlane was the best in Pa. last year IMO. Sauseman,I like your Jr.East/West idea.

  74. Friday night fan says:

    You have to realize CP lost two D1 D backs/ receivers mid season. There’s no way wood or SJP were better than CP.
    I think the top 4 were PR/ CP 1 or 2 respectfully then wood and SJP in 4 th place. CP takes the starters out in the third Quarter most game. I’m sure they would have beat a lot of teams badly, but the coach has class! And it hurts the national rankings that’s the trade off I guess.
    Jack LMFAO – you said CP should be playing 6 A teams? They do was my point jeryoff! They only played like 2 4A teams before the playoffs. They were forced to play region games.Who knows when you do scheduling in the spring what a team will be like next fall? Tell James Conner from Pitt/ Steelers that his h.s. Team McDowell is a joke big guy! Week one McDowell was beating Cleveland ST. Eds at half time, and they’re always ranked high nationally. The Wayne team PR played week 0 was obviously in a rebuilding year also. PCC was a lot better than Wayne. The problem with CP moving up to 6 A say in the playoffs would be they only have 130-140 boys per class. To play schools that have 300+ boys per class. It would be a depth issue. This 2018 class at CP was the best class football wise to come through the program according to the AD of CP. There will be a talent drop this year I think. Imhotep will be very tough this year!

  75. jacky1234 says:

    @b powell this past PR team had a bunch of other underrated guys as well, Jason defrancisis luke meckler mike katic luke meckler Anthony Cerminara etc. I just don’t believe that anyone in the state could beat them last season. I think the top 4 in the state were PR, SJP, Wood, and ECP.

    @phil you actually can if you have ncaa 14, you can create your own rosters, customize uniforms etc. You can also play in high school stadiums in the game I believe. I also have heard of people making wpial rosters to download.

  76. phillyboy says:

    I understand this ECP team was very talented, very good but when push comes to shove PR would have taken them. I absolutely think St. Joe’s Prep would have beaten ECP, as well as Wood. My suspicion was that PR was the best after seeing how they were unstoppable against a highly regarded Wayne, OH team. My suspicion became a certainty after seeing how PR decked Saint Joe’s Prep in crunch time, that was a HUGE win. Believe me, SJP is a very tough out. I would rank last year’s ECP at #4 in the state after PR, SJP, and Wood. Erie Prep had a few decent wins, but you can’t play in the minor leagues and crow about being the best. Very rarely is the state champ in a lower classification the overall best in state. One notable exception IMO was 2011; that Wood team was off the hook at the end of the year.

  77. B. Powell says:

    May I also add, there is “life” in Erie, PA football again. Prep has it going ON and the McDowell vs Erie playoff game this year was epic. I listened to it on the radio and my eyes started to well up with happiness for those Erie High kids. For many of them it was the 1st thing of value they had won in their lives and the reformation of Erie High was done so quickly and came off as good as it could have happened.
    Add Mercyhurst Prep in the mix and Erie area has some fine athletes. D10 does pretty well in playoffs considering the city and rural demographic mix.

  78. Phil says:

    @ Mike F
    Thanks for the info regarding the Aliquippa situation. Sources have echoed the same as you stated plus one other factor that does not warrant discussion unless proven to be true.

    If I may, I’d like to jump into the PR vs. ECP debate. Whether you are a PR fan, an ECP fan or just a high school football fan especially from western Pa., it is good to see great football being played here in the west.

    Jurkovec is probably the best HS QB I’ve ever seen, Mischler makes the top ten though. Bauer is definitely one of he better LBs I’ve seen. Roberts and Scruggs are great, while Kristofic and Crawford and Falcone are fantastic. And on and on it goes. Bottom line is both teams were loaded and I was blessed to see them both play at least 3 times the past couple years. Oh, by the way, you couldn’t ask for two better coaches who are easily accessible, very knowledgeable, and genuinely good guys. No predictions by me, but if someone came up with a high school version of Madden’s Game Day with these two teams on it, I’d play in an instant!!

  79. Tully says:

    CP does play impressive non-conference schedule. Make me wonder why they are satisfied being in a watered down 4a despite the largest enrollment in that class. Couldnt be trophy hunting could it? Why not play Wood for that honor? Or better yet why dont both play at their weight in 6a where the caliber of their programs belong?

    What happened in Aliquippa a complete shame. Hearing pushed flr the normal politics and parent vendettas. The losers in it are the kids. Coach was a class act throughout.

  80. Jack1234 says:

    Yeah Erie high school and 5-6 Erie Mcdowell. Real powerhouses LMFAO. And PCC was weak last year as well. The school from michigan is ranked 112 by maxpreps, PR beat SJP that was a top 25 team at the time. Also imhotep was without their best player, and they truly weren’t anything special last year. PR has a better resume that is facts. Also coming from someone likely from erie that’s some thin ice your on making comments like “must be a burg thing” Lol

  81. Mike F says:


    When i heard he was axed I thought there was a PSU/MSU situation. At the very least I was expecting he got to physical with a player. When I found out it was just school board politics, it made me sick to my stomach. I have no clue who they think they are going to get better on the field or off.

    No coach is going to be able to change the environment there. It is in the bottom 10% for education in this state and there are tons of drugs and no jobs in that community. The boards “reasons” are a joke.

  82. Mike F says:

    Steve O’Neil,

    The reasons are very valid: Heavy Sarcasm

    1) He didn’t help with recruiting as an example the one school board members kid was not pushed enough in the late 90’s

    2) He is not doing enough for former players hanging on the street corner.

    3) They only won 1 state title with him

  83. Phil says:

    What’s up with Aliquippa’s coach getting the axe. Never heard anything bad about Coach Zmijanac. Wasn’t losing something like 36 games in over 20 years good enough for a few board members. Or is there something behind the scenes we don’t know about? Hopefully that behind the scenes thing isn’t some people in power with an axe to grind.

  84. phillyboy says:

    According to the ‘project a matchup’ feature at [2017] PR 42 – ECP 28.

  85. Friday night fan says:

    Your whole post tells me you know very little about CP. Their first 3 games in 17 were against 6A teams all ranked in the top 5 in western PA. Look at the scores.Then they went to Detroit and played the 2017 Michigan state champs an Michigan second largest classification. And Canisus out of Buffalo is always a state contender for the regular season finale. Cp usually has the starters out mid way through the 3 Rd quarter, and that’s when they give up some points also.Anyone who thinks you have to play 6A to be the best is dead wrong. The PIAA decides what class we’re in, and you think Berks Catholic and Imhotep are week team? Nobody said the 7 on 7 was a real game. But when people make comments like PR is the best in the state no debate? I disagree that’s all! And Jack- your point Is invalid! Must be a burg thing?

  86. steven o'neil says:

    Anybody have any info on what the reason is behind the school board getting rid of the quips head coach? I was completely shocked to read that.

  87. Mike F says:

    Wow Mike Zmijanac is voted out as Head Coach at Aliquippa. Pittsburgh media is attacking the School Board.

  88. jacky1234 says:

    Except 7on7 isn’t an actual game, so yes it doesn’t count for anything. All it does for PR is practice their formations and plays etc. Take a look at who ECP played and who SJP played, SJP played better compeition and they gave up less points statistically then ECP did not playing as hard of teams. Your argument is invalid, if ECP wants to be considered the number 1 team they should move up a class or two and stop beating up on weak teams in 4A

  89. garyz says:

    Jurk and the kid from ECP were both great QB’s, no doubt! However if you truly think the kid from ECP was better than Jurk because of a 7on7, or height, well your wrong! Look at every nationwide ranking, scholarship offers and tell me what everyone missed? Was it that 7on7 that has been referenced? Is it his height? Because if Mischler was the 2nd coming of Marino, the height difference means nothing in today’s game. So what is it you know, that all recruiting services and College Coaches do not? The 7on7, 36-6 Football In shorts! I AM NOT A PR FAN, just someone who respects and knows the game!

  90. garyz says:

    Anyone who uses 7 on 7 as a unit of measure or comparison, tells me all I need to know about their understanding of the game!! The whole 7 on 7 thing is so overrated that it is starting to lose some luster as a team function. However the kids who play for travel teams (comprised of kids from various schools) is still growing! That is because it’s a showcase for skill players and an informal recruiting tool. As a Coach, I like doing a few here and there, but so much more can be gained from repetition of the actual Offense and Defense you will run during the season! As an OC, I want my kids to know are Base runs and play actions VS every scenario possible. Not lining up in 5 Wide, which we may do 10-12 times a year, or playing exotic coverages that we most likely will never run on Defense!

  91. Friday night fan says:

    Well Jack , I guess it’s only nonsense if your the ones scratching at the end of the game. If the players don’t take the game-seriously it doesn’t count? Your not a TJ coach are you? I guess it’s all we have to go by as it’s the only time they met this season. And th PCC game.I said I’d take Mischler I didn’t mean he’s better.other than his deep balls In my opinion. It doesn’t really matter what we say we’ll never know. But I do agree it would have been a high scoring affair. I agree neither defense would have done much to slow the other down. I think it would have come down to field position, and turnovers. I see a score of like 42-35 type game. With CP on top of course! I don’t agree with the St. Joes defense being better than CP either. CP would have beat SJP just as bad as PR did.

  92. Jack1234 says:

    Enough with the 7on7 nonsense. It’s a joke. Most kids I know that aren’t on those travel teams don’t even take it serious. It’s way different covering a receiver or running routes in pads vs in shorts and tshirts. Also he’s faced plenty of secondaries and defenses with more D1 guys than ECP had on defense this year. Look at what he did to PCC in 2015 and 16. Mutliple D1 guys all across those defenses. Also saying mischler is better than jurkovec is a truly asinine statement, the mischler kids a player but he’s absolutely nowhere near jurkovec. All you have to do is compare film, mischler isn’t making anything close to some of the plays jurkovec made this past year.

    PR wasn’t a one horse show at all, they were loaded with other guys and a very underrated defense. SJP had a better defense than ECP and look at how PR scored on them. You’re argument is disprovable.

  93. me888 says:

    me’ll take PR by about 6 over CP. Neither defense would keep the other team under 20 to 24 points; and me’ll take PR’s offense over CP’s. me saw them both 4 times each, and none of the games were vs the patsies.

    Jurkovec is an all around better athlete than Mischler. He has a better/stronger arm (and is at least as accurate as Misch). He was a better runner also. Much more elusive. Mischler may have been a better field general, but not by much, if at all.

    JMO, as always!

  94. Friday night fan says:

    Spoken like a true PR fan LoL ! He sure wasn’t all that throwing the ball in the 7 on 7 vs CP. I don’t think he was use to throwing against a secondary with 3 D-1 D backs.I think CP had WAY more weapons on offense than PR. All CP would have to do would be shadow Phil with Matt Bauer to keep his scramble game in check. I’ll take Mischler any day over Phil, joe has better accuracy on long ball. PR didn’t face anyone close to CP this year including St. Joes. I think PR was a one horse show, and CP had a more balanced team. They both had great years, but CP would be more than PR could handle!

  95. jacky1234 says:

    PR was the best team in the state last year and there is no debate. The way they beat SJP in the title game solidifies this. Jurkovec is a generational player and he’s good enough to beat teams by himself.

  96. Friday night fan says:

    I don’t know how you can say PR would have beat CP? The common opponent was PCC and they both won by about the same score over PCC. I know it wasn’t a real game but CP beat PR in 7 on 7 36-6. I think that showed CP had the edge in the skilled positions. PR couldn’t cover the CP receivers period. I think CP O Line was better than PRs was. I guess we’ll never know, but would have loved to seen it! I think it would have come down to Phils legs against CP ground game.
    I don’t agree with the selling out comment? If the students attend the private school as a freshman. I don’t care for the wagon jumpers either I guess.

  97. B. Powell says:

    Good discussion.
    Just remember, too, it’s not all slam dunk approved up here, either. Mercyhurst Prep had a couple kids approved from one nearby school last fall 2017 and 2 other kids from another school with -higher academics than Mercyhurst- were not approved.
    All because the 1st school didn’t contest the transfers and the other school did.
    Seems like they are at least trying to find solutions.

  98. phillyboy says:

    @ B. Powell

    This notion that kids transfer to an elite private program in order to ‘enhance future opportunities at the next level’ is the biggest crock on planet Earth. College is big time overrated anyway but that’s a whole other topic of discussion. It’s all about taking the easy way out and kissing the behind of the big dog in order to have the privilege to be a part of it — as opposed to having some loyalty and playing for your home team. Yes, winning state championships is really cool, but not at the expense of becoming a sell-out. It’s a symptom of what Governor Rendell called ‘the wussification of America’. And btw, PR would have kicked Erie Prep’s butox last year.

  99. me888 says:

    “B. Powell says:
    February 15th, 2018 at 10:19 am
    I believe Seneca’s coach resigned last fall and this transfer was seen as quite a step up for both boys as far as future opportunity at the next level. ECP has shown it can certainly help with that and also provide and upgraded academic curriculum.
    The McDowell to ECP transfers are public to private school, Erie, PA – Erie, PA, as there is no Millcreek, PA.
    That’s the very core and theme of a private school – as an alternative education.”

    McDowell is not in the City of Erie. It is in Millcreek Township which does in fact have it’s own government and school system.

    Prep should never permit anyone to obtain a CP diploma by spending only 1 (or 1 and 1/2) years in the building. It devalues the diploma for all current, former, and future students; not to mention that it’s a really bad look and public relations move. The public schools here will be even more infuriated.

    JMO, as always!

  100. B. Powell says:

    I believe Seneca’s coach resigned last fall and this transfer was seen as quite a step up for both boys as far as future opportunity at the next level. ECP has shown it can certainly help with that and also provide and upgraded academic curriculum.
    The McDowell to ECP transfers are public to private school, Erie, PA – Erie, PA, as there is no Millcreek, PA.
    That’s the very core and theme of a private school – as an alternative education.

  101. Billy Splain says:

    Saussman, they are still working on different rules to curb the problem of transfers but hitting giant walls called district chairman that don’t want to hear about it. Many are from “transfer” schools.

  102. sausmann9 says:

    And yet Prep doesn’t want to move up, WTF is the PIAA doing if not fixing the issues???

  103. M says:

    Weird, I have been trying to share the below article here for several days.

  104. B. Powell says:

    Cathedral Prep gets ok on (4) more players.
    Two transfers from McDowell, two from Seneca now cleared to compete in sports at Prep
    EDINBORO — District 10 ruled Tuesday, 2/6/2018 that four student-athletes who recently transferred to Cathedral Preparatory School are eligible to participate in athletics at the school.
    The D-10 Committee conducted four separate eligibility hearings at the Northwest Tri County Intermediate Unit 5 on Tuesday.
    Regan Schleicher, who previously attended McDowell High School, was ruled eligible after the first hearing. After Schleicher’s ruling, McDowell officials withdrew their challenge to a second transfer from McDowell, Shelby Wiley. As a result, Wiley became eligible to play sports at Prep.
    Seneca High School challenged the transfers of Joey Scarabino and Tre Thrower in the next two hearings. However, District 10 ruled both eligible to compete for Prep.
    All four athletes are juniors who played for their respective football teams this past fall, while Scarabino and Schleicher also played baseball in the past. All four players were football all-region selections, while Scarabino is the all-time passer in Seneca history, and Schleicher was the starting quarterback at McDowell and all-region selection for the baseball team. Thrower and Wiley were voted to the all-region first team at defensive back.
    Bill Flanagan, the athletic director at Prep, is the District 10 Secretary and Erie City representative on the D-10 Committee, but he recused himself from the four hearings as a D-10 Committee member and was present as a Prep administrator. He was not present for the committee’s deliberations.
    Pete Iacino, the District 10 chairman and private schools representative on the D-10 Committee, also recused himself, leaving no private school connections on the committee for the four eligibility hearings.
    The committee unanimously approved Schleicher 9-0, while Scarabino was approved 8-1 and Thrower 7-2. There was no vote on Wiley after McDowell withdrew its objection.

  105. Xavier says:

    When you bring in 30 kids with half of them being out of state, how many do you think will still be there in a year? Slippery Rock and Clarion are bring in half a new team each.

  106. Jack1234 says: WPIAL schedules released today. 6A now is only one conference.

  107. Southern D10 says:

    @Xavier. I never understood why he never got any big college offers. He certainly had the talent and stats to warrant them. Unfortunately this came out this morning.

  108. Mike F says:


    Don’t know/never seen this Strickland kid, but I do know this about recruiting. It is a crap shoot. This is not wrestling where a kid can say I was 92-14 and placed in states and beat this person, that person, etc and have it mean something. Therefore they are recruited accordingly based off their accomplishments on the mat not their potential.

    Football recruiting is a funny business an the exact opposite. You have guys look great at these camps in shorts and get destroyed on the field be rated in the top 3 at their positions (Sterling Jenkens) in the country. Yet the kids who destroyed that player be d3 players. Basically football coaches look at potential more than ability.

    I can’t tell you how many times I seen LBs be 4 star recruits with offers from everybody. They are 6-2 220lb and 4.6 forty,yet they never make tackles because they are cowards who take bad angles and have no football instincts. Then the 5′ 7″ 150lb 4.8 forty safety behind that 4 star LB take great angles, have good football instincts, and isn’t afraid to take or give a hit and they are choosing between Grove City, St. Vincent, Theil, etc.

    QB recruiting is the same way. I remember Paul Jones from Sto-Rox being a 5 star. he looked the part with height and weight (don’t remember exact measurements but he had them) and he could throw the ball a mile. The problem, no football instincts and wasn’t accurate at all. Most HS coaches would kill for a 5 star QB I remember watching Sto-Rox play Keystone Oaks and Jones coming out of the game so Sto-Rox could go to wildcat. That should tell you everything about how good he was. Yet he went to PSU as a 5 Star QB and offers from everyone.

    Basically don’t worry about recruiting, try and find the best academic/football balance where the kid fits. It will work out better for the kid then chasing the dream.

  109. Xavier says:

    Who knows anything about the Strickland kid from Sharon, multiple-time All-State receiver, 0 college offers.

  110. Billy Splain says:

    Jack, it doesn’t matter. when you have only 13 6A and around 24-25 5A teams, it is what it is. My only question is why didnt they leave 11 12 in east and put the D3 teams in the west. would have been the same. Some using blame 6 classes, but if it were four those other teams still wouldn’t have a chance.

  111. Jack1234 says:

    Some very good 5A and 6A western teams may not be able to at least make it to hershey with this new alignment now

  112. Billy Splain says:

    the wpial can’t pull out of the piaa.

  113. WPIAL RULES says:

    What a joke. It’s time for the WPIAL to pull out of the PIAA. What is the purpose of having an eastern and western champion? Why not just rank the top 16 or 32 teams in the state in each conferance and go from there?

  114. ECL/Metro FAN says:

    I’ll just say McDowell wont have a returning started at QB.

  115. peabody says:

    what kid is that. Haven’t heard anything but Scarabino, but more interested in him as LB

  116. ECL/Metro FAN says:

    Looks like Erie Prep has found themselves someone else to compete for the QB job against Scarabino.

  117. M says:

    Thanks Billy

  118. Billy Splain says:

    sorry bout that

  119. M says:

    I don’t see the link to the forunm on the homepage any longer. I had to do a web search to find this today. Didn’t know if I was alone.

  120. Billy Splain says:

    email me,…let me know what you need

  121. Gary Kinsey says:

    Was trying to find somewhere to find a list of past PA. high school football all state teams, or at least players from district 6, please reply with any help

  122. Billy Splain says:

    There’s some good pa talent there this year from PA. The last hurrah for hs football of the 2017 season.

  123. sausmann9 says:

    Happy New Year everyone!!! Hey all, remember Thursday is the Under Armour All Star game at 1pm and then on Saturday at 1pm is the US Army All Star game. Enjoy and good luck to our PA players!!!!

  124. David Mika says:

    Happy New Year!